All,
Help me out
here:
1) Is the Hart
system auditable or not? (Bo says it is, Neal says it
isn't.)
The Team felt it was....with the proper procedures in
place. The IT guy, who was familiar with the current voting system and
Tally and Servo and all that crap, said it would take downloading certain MBBs
into empty databases and running the accounting software on them (or
something.....) and then comparing it to the VPAT (which would probably
have to be counted by hand or scanned with an optical scanner (there are
barcodes))
At least that's what I remember. Bottom line is, due
to Neal's input, the Clerk and IT guys think they can make the system do a
real audit, according to Neal's parms. Can it? We'll
see.
2) Closely
related, is the Hart system verifiable?
Not sure *how* verifiable you mean. I assume you're
referring to open source and stuff like that? Not sure. Not one of my priorities, as I like to leave
that up to the IT experts. It's their job and I trust them to do
it.
3) Is the vote
tabulating process transparent to average citizens?
Again, the open source thing,
right?
I think the two software programs that do that (Tally and
Servo) are proprietary. This issue was not brought up very much. No public
input on this, except maybe for Big Al's rant....which most did not read all
the way through, anyway....
I would
think that these two programs are pretty small (relatively speaking) and could
be checked over by an independent software checking outfit, which now
that I think about it, *was* mentioned at some time during our
deliberations.
4) If
I'm interpreting Bo right, Hart charges the same amount to lease its equipment
and software for one year that it sells it for. Uhhhh, no further
questions, Your Honor.
Yeah, ain't that a kick in the
pants.
bottom line is, Hart doesn't want to lease equipment
either.
But if we'll pay to buy the stuff, we can call
it whatever we damn well please....lease, rentals, paper weights,
whatever.
hope this helped a
bit.
kac
Joe Pezzillo
<jpezzillo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I
don't particularly think another angry thread is useful.
The record
is already straight.
There is one and only one person responsible for
elections in Boulder
County, and that's the County Clerk.
Period.
No one else should be blamed, she ran for the office and
wanted the
job because of how qualified she supposedly is, now she
hasn't done
it properly (that is, voter confidence is lower now than
when she
took office) despite four years on the case.
If she
can't do her job, it's not the citizens' fault.
Please don't pick
fights here, Bo!
Joe
On Mar 29, 2006, at 2:42 PM,
Delta wrote:
> Let me set the record straight....
> (see
below)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Neal
McBurnett [mailto:neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March
29, 2006 9:16 AM
>> To: cvv-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
Subject: RFPET Recommendation
>>
>>
>> Attached
is a new version of the RFPET Recommendation which has
>>
searchable/copyable text.
>>
>> I don't yet see it at the
clerk's web site
>>
>>
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/clerk/elections/index.htm
>>
>>
It is a shame to see the committee not require that the system
comply
>> with Colorado law (by producing auditable results) and
rush ahead in
>> the face of so many problems.
>
>
WRONG! The recommendations say that a real audit must be and *can*
be
> performed....
> YOU were instrumental in us recommending
that!
>
>
> And the 'bait and switch' from a
rental
>> to suggesting that it be bought is a real end-run around
the
>> democratic process.
>
> Bullcrap! It is being
fiscally responsible.
> Do you know what the leasing price is??? a.b
million
> Do you know what the purchase price is??? a.b
million
> (I *think* the price is public at this time, but just in
case)
> So, which would *you* do? Rent it for a price and then give it
> back, or buy
> it for the same price and then at least have
something you could
> sell or
> even
scrap....*something*??
> Lease it and you got nada.....there is no
other option.
>
>
>>
>> We haven't seen the
price yet, but the county should offer the same
>> possibility to
other bidders and start the RFP process over, with
>> specific
invites to ballot marking vendors and demands that the
>> Secretary
of State should certify ballot marking equipment like other
>>
states do.
>
> And how does this get us compliant for the
election in November????
> You know what *really* pisses me
off?
> The Clerk is in this position BECAUSE OF THIS GROUP OF CVV
ACTIVISTS!
> YOU pushed to rent not purchase.....
> and when the
Clerk got screwed because *nobody* wants to rent ( who
>
knew?)
> NOW you jump all over them for trying to salvage the
situation?
>
> you're a better man than that,
Neal.....
>
>
>>
>> Neal McBurnett
http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/
>> Signed and/or sealed mail
encouraged. GPG/PGP Keyid:
2C9EBA60
>>
>
>
"Sapere Aude." Have courage to use your own reason.
Kant
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